Video: Stephen Moyer, “Bill Will Try To Redeem Himself”
By Lividity on Mar 10 2011 | 113 Comments »
The Zap2it people caught up with Anna Paquin & Stephen Moyer on the red carpet at PaleyFest and turned in a small interview with Stephen. As we all know, these are tough times for Vampire Bill. Here’s what Stephen Moyer had to say about Bill’s situation:
Moyer tells us that Bill had his reasons for lying to Sookie. “I think that he would argue that everything he’s done was out of love,” he says.
“And I think he got himself into such a difficult situation, because his love surprised him,” Moyer adds. “So, some of the things he had been sent to do were things that he had to do, because of his place in vampire society.”
But while he may be down, Moyer says he’s not out in Season 4. “I think he will try and redeem himself in some way,” he tells us.
Would someone please, please, ask Stephen where in the hell Vampire Bill’s sideburns are???!!! Am I the only one having a fit overhere? Bring back the Antebellum hotness sideburns! GAH! It ruins the whole civi war lieutenant thing for me!!!
WTH is up with that picture? LOL See? My brain is going to explode if someone doesn’t tell my where his burns are. Dang! This picture sums up my sideburn missing feelings, LMAO!
How long is it going to take for William Thomas Compton III to redeem himself in Sookie Ann Stackhouse’s
eyes~ I mean what he did was really low. Telling the lady he loved her when he really only wanted to get
a “taste of her blood” and then playing out the chrade only made it worse.
Sookie fell for Vampire Bill when it was all a BIG LIE!.
Not only did he deserve the slap he got at Fangtasia he deserves more than that.
I don’t think she should forgive him~ EVER.
As an Eric lover, I’m thrilled that Bill made all those mistakes. It is one more thing that brings Eric and Sookie together. I can’t hate him though. I think he did what he thought what he had to do and he didn’t expect to fall in love with a mortal. There’s no way Bill can protect Sookie like Eric can.
I think it will be like the book, only more. Sookie will hate him for awhile but will get over it. In the book she always seemed to not be able to let him go completely.
Does the Viking have a middle name?
With all due respect Marlene, you are completely wrong on this. Bill did fall in love with Sookie, and while he was not completely honest with her about his supposed reasons for being in Bon Temps, he truly loves her, and I kow she feels the same way about him, and the “truth” will come out. Alan Ball himself said that “nothing is as it seems,” and that applies to Bill completely.
Eric wants Sookie, partly because Bill has her so he is jealous of Bill, plus he wants to use her telepathy for his own benefit.
IMHO Sookie at this point does not deserve Bill, maybe she needs to be with the Viking, so she can realize what she kicked to the curb!
I agree with this, C4B. AB has already confirmed that Bill fell in love with Sookie, so he wasn’t just after a taste of her blood. He didn’t even know what she was when he was sent by QSA. Whether Bill and Sookie will get back together again remains to be seen. But Bill will be redeemed. AT Paley, AB mentioned the betrayal, but added, or what Sookie perceives as betrayal. Funny how so many people left out that little addition that AB made. I cannot wait to see Bill’s storyline next season. AB has a blank slate to work with, and I think he will do Bill justice.
RE: “Funny how so many people left out that little addition that AB made”
Yeah, people pick & choose what they want to hear. Like “perceived betrayal” somehow makes it better. The full quote is – “I think the betrayal, or what she perceives as the betrayal, is so deep that I don’t think there’s an easy way back from that. But hopefully there will be 17 more seasons.”
Alan Ball also said (when asked can Sookie forgive Bill):
“I wouldn’t use the word forgive. I think things thaw a bit between them, but I would hesitate to use the word forgive. That’s a very strong word.”
The way Sookie perceives it is all that really matters. Bill did betray Sookie – that’s the way it is. Just because you can find a way to justify it, doesn’t change that. Sookie feels deeply betrayed & it will be a long time before she forgives Bill, if ever.
I agree that Bill does need to try to redeem himself, for Sookie’s sake. She needs to be able to forgive him & move on with her life.
What I find funny is that so many talk about how Bill will redeem himself, yet pretend he didn’t do anything wrong. It’s almost like they don’t realize they are contradicting themselves. :)
@ He didn’t even know what she was when he was sent by QSA.
If you bought that lie, I got a windy shithole in Erland I can sell you. It is clear from the beginning that he knew tons about Sookie (this was before the reveal of the file he had on her dating way back, to the (cough cough) 80′s) he knew the reasons he was there.
@ AT Paley, AB mentioned the betrayal, but added, or what Sookie perceives as betrayal. Funny how so many people left out that little addition that AB made.
Bill fans on holding on that word “perceived” like it is a buoy out in the middle of an ocean. Perceived in this instance means that is how she (Sookie) sees the situation and at the end of the day, HER FEELINGS are all that matters. Good Lord, the only time you guys like Sookie is when she is either with Bill or someone other than Eric, otherwise she is a dumb blond.
I’m not getting involved in the “my vamp is better than your vamp” thing, but I have to say that I don’t believe Bill fully understood that Sookie was a fairy until after the dream he had because of all that blood he took. If he’d already known, why tell her, “Oh hey Sookie, I now know what you are” after that episode? If he had already known at that point and was hiding it, why tell her now?
@ but I have to say that I don’t believe Bill fully understood that Sookie was a fairy until after the dream he had because of all that blood he took. If he’d already known, why tell her, “Oh hey Sookie, I now know what you are” after that episode? If he had already known at that point and was hiding it, why tell her now?
Simply to save his ass. He felt the walls of deception crumbling down around him and he had to do something. It started with the file he had on her. He said it was because of Eric that he had it, if he really wanted to come clean, that would have been the time to do so. He said why RE wanted her was that he assumed it was because of what she was and when she asked “Do you know what I am” he said ” Truly, I do not” which was not true even if he only had an inkling that she was a fae, the point is he still knew she was a supernatural being from the jump and that was his reasoning for being in Bon Temps. The fact he fell in love with his mission/goal is a moot point, he betrayed Sookie in more ways than one.
I’m not saying that Bill wanted to come clean at all. Quite the opposite. I think he told her that he knew what she was because he finally just knew it. He knew that the Queen wanted her because she was “special” (aka something else) but he didn’t hide the fact he suspected she was “something.” He kept asking her what she was.
The rest of the stuff he hid from her, he did not want to divulge at all. He knew it would be devastating to the relationship and hid it because, well mostly, he was afraid (treasonous, cowardly, whatever) to come clean.
I’m not debating the betrayal or whether he deserves to be forgiven.
@ Lividity
Well we all see things differently but to me it is plainly clear that he knew all along so once he fell in love with her, he owed it to her to come clean, that is only my opinion, not disagreeing with yours. I simply answered your question about why he would tell her now and it was again my opinion. No matter how hard it is. I would rather hear all from him instead of finding out the way she did. Incidentally, in regards to your last post, about remaining civil, maybe you should refrain from telling people (whether it is BB’s or Eric lovers alike) that they get their panties in a wad with differing opinions. That is kind of insulting and a bit snarky and uncalled, do unto others and all. Thanks for the debate
Um. It’s a figure of speech Lynn. I think probably most people have heard it before and know what it means.
Also, snark is welcome here at the site, just not when it’s mean spirited. I think most would agree “panties in a wad” is quite harmless. But, in the end, I can’t please everyone.
Lynn, your reply to Lividity: “That is kind of insulting and a bit snarky and uncalled, do unto others and all. Thanks for the debate”
You don’t think that your reply to my post was snarky and down right mean spirited? You insulted my intelligence. I consider that a personal attack and one of the reasons that I rarely go to mixed boards. Debating is fun when it stays above the belt. Nothing in my post deserved being made fun of….I was merely sharing my opinion.
I’m with you c4b! You said it the best.
I also think it funny that articles are coming out and not mentioning that AB said PERCEIVED BETRAYAL!
We will see this played out.
No, I am not a Eric/Sookie shipper. I think Eric is a sleaze ball (just look at how he dresses) and he is a bully boy. Sookie will learn by her mistakes. Amnesia does not make a Vampire jerk into a nice guy. Just camaflouges his real personality for a while. Also, when Sookie comes to her senses, I hope Bill ditches her. It will serve her right. Then he can take her back, lol!!!
That is total bull to claim that Eric just wants Sookie because Bill has her, that’s such a tired argument.
Bill just wanted Sookie initially because he was sent to PROCURE her from Bon Temps and bring her to the queen. Maybe Eric just wanted her initially because she was interesting, different etc. but fell in love as they bonded over Godric, etc. Eric’s circumstances are no where near as Bad as Bill’s imo.
If you want to argue that Bill just lied out of love then the only times Eric ever lied was to protect her as well so that’s also a bs argument.
He is addicted to her blood and the fact that she makes him feel like he made up becausefor his lost human life.
Eric doesn’t give a rat’s butt about Bill, he thinks he is so above him he wonders why Sookie even wants Bill.
In Dallas, said Eric to Lorena that he wants something that Bill has .. that she is something special not quite human, so he wants her. That was before Godric ..
How you say that Eric loves her? To throw her in the basement and put a collar on … you call that love?
Sookie doesn’t deserve Bill?
WOW
Just wow.
To Marlene,
It is sad but your very narrow minded and shallow view only speaks of pure jealousy of Bill and his deep selfsacrificing love for Sookie. It is bashing pure and simple. Hoping to show him in a bad light when you know he is not. You attempt to misdirect from his love for Sookie by trying to focus on what was out of his control.
As we all know, but some care not to see, Bill was ordered in the beginning. The “percieved” betrayal, for now, was him doing his job when he did not know Sookie. To not do his job would be considered treasonous and would carry severe punishment.
That he could not tell Sookie this truth was his only flaw.
On the other side of the coin we have Eric who has a whole bushleful of outright lies that he has made, and some right to her face, “WHILE HE KNOWS SOOKIE AND WANTS HER” which is so much worse in my opinion.
That is the true betrayal, through his lies, manipulations, deciet, and cowardly selfish acts, because he could not win Sookie for himself.
She sees not Bill , but Eric as a “F*cking dead piece of sh*t” and for very good reason.
The soap operish amnesia is the only way Sookie could ever look pathetically kindly on Eric.
Bitter, much? :D
Sad how you dont ask this of a eric fan who started this first. Biased?
“That he could not tell Sookie the truth was his only flaw.”
The truth about what?
The edict?
The Ratt’s?
The effects of his blood?
Jessica?
Hadley?
Uncle Bartlette?
The file?
The daywalking?
That he attacked Claudine?
I could go on, but I’m bored. Unless your post was sarcasm and meant to be humorous. :D
Fucking hell you’re on a mission aren’t you? Before I fall asleep reading the same old psychotic dribble I’ve been readinfg from people like you for two years, a tip. It’s not REAL. It’s a tv show. Let go all of your anger and hatred, its creepy. Find something worthy to get angry about, like giant tsunamis destroying Japan.
I know, right? BillsNia is really spazzing out & Season 4 hasn’t even begun yet. O_O Our opinions don’t affect the show anyway, all that matters is how Sookie perceives them. ;)
@ Galiana, I”m not sure I’m following your reasoning. Why wouldn’t fans (Bill fans or any True Blood fan) pick-up on the word “perceive?” It’s clear, to me a non-shipper, that the word was used to give a possible hint that all is not what it seems.
I also disagree that it only matters what she thinks. I would argue that Sookie thinks Eric is a slime ball but your perception (and those of Eric fans) of him is different because you’ve seen things that her character has not been privy to. When Eric leaves her at RE’s house I think a lot of E/S fans would argue that her perceived abandonment by Eric were not his true motives. I’m not interested in getting into whether or not it was but the actions of all these characters are not black and white.
As a Bill fan I can see that he betrayed her but what fascinates me is why. What is the motive? What is going on with Bill that we are not privy to. And how do we, and Bill, balance that with what we’ve seen of him. If you’re not into that part of the story that I can’t be mad at you but many are and that’s why the word “perceived” is being looked at.
galiana, laputain was talking about lief spazzing and didnt this all start with marlene.
I think we all expected this in addition to Stephen Moyer’s perception of his character.
We all knew Bill was going to try to redeem himself. I think it might last the whole series though, his attempts to redeem himself.
As long as they give Bill a chance to explain himself amidst all the convenient amnesia and crazy witches and fairies, I’m not that bothered. I’m not a Sookie-Bill shipper, but he’s my favourite character and IMO, the strongest, most intriguing character. And I don’t think what he did was so bad, just typically vampy. Who gives a shit? Only people who didn’t like him in the first place.
Who gives a shit?
I think Sookie probably gives a shit.
And she liked him in the first place.
She was already smitten by Bill that second night they met, and he knew it.
didnt sookie say she loved bill at first sight?
I’m exactly the same way. I’m not a Bill-Sookie shipper but I’m a HUGE Bill fan and I don’t view his actions through the prism of how Sookie takes it. I don’t fault Sookie’s reaction. However, though I can understand where Sookie is coming from, I can also understand the constraints Bill was working under and why he did the things he did. To me it makes him a more intriguing character.
Liz79 – I’ll respond to you here, since I can’t no longer reply above. :) The quote that we are referencing IS about how Sookie perceives the betrayal & whether or not there’s an easy way back from that. As far as that statement goes in it’s proper context – our opinions don’t change a thing, all that matters is Sookie’s perception. As you know, many of your fellow Bill fans do think Sookie will forgive Bill and that they will be together again.
It was also in response to Billsnia’s long list of flaws for each character & which is worse . Off topic here, but based on her logic for some of the things she’s blaming on Eric, we could blame Gran’s death on Bill being Sookie would never have been targeted if Bill hadn’t come to town to procure her. I mean seriously, doesn’t it ALL stem from that. I find it just ridiculous to take things that far. We’d have no storylines at all. LOL
Back to perception – it wasn’t until I read the books, that I really fell in love with these stories & characters, so that’s probably why I always identify with Sookie’s POV. But I also adore Sookie & Eric’s love story – and I’m perfectly fine with how Sookie sees Eric at this point in the story.
We can go round & round about our perception of these characters, but like you, I’m not interested in doing so right now. The truth is, I have no complaints with how TB has portrayed Eric & am very happy with where things are.
I don’t know if AB meant to hint at something else or not, but I do know it probably didn’t change any of our perceptions of Bill’s actions. I would imagine you felt the same about Bill before AB made that statement. What the quote does give us a hint at, is how Sookie is seeing things and if there is any hope for Sookie and Bill in the future.
Of course our opinions don’t change a thing. If they did Bill would spend eternity with Jessica (that’s the storyline I’m partial too). But we have opinions whether or not they change things. And yeah we disagree because I don’t believe the way Sookie perceives things is all that matters. I mean I guess if our discussion is “who deserves Sookie.” And frankly I’m not into that. With that I’m outtie. Enjoy the show, ladies. And play nice. It’s nice.
Obviously your opinions are valid & important to you, but do you really care about mine? Trust me, you won’t like them. I care about what’s happening on the show – I’m thrilled Sookie finally knows the truth & can know make an educated decision. I do care about how Sookie feels. It’s awful to know you’ve been betrayed & manipulated by someone you love. Anyway, it’s nice to see that Bill fan can admit that Bill betrayed Sookie. You’re definitely better off not caring about if they get back together. Hope you enjoy whatever Bill’s up to next season. :)
*now*
wasnt it lief who started with the lists? billsnia was just responding and it seems to me she has it pretty right
I’m sporting side-burns in memory of bills missing jaw warmers.
LOL, I’ll bet you get lots of ladies that way ;)
This is the coolest post I’ve seen all day . LOL!
“Jaw warmers.” HAHAHAHA! Love it.
Have to agree with laputain, with addenda.
My own take: Season 4 = appalling. A Gilbert and Sullivan operetta. Strephon and Phylis. And to top it all, the Vamp Extraordinaire (Eric) becomes a Days-of-Our-Lives amnesiac sook for Sookie. Oh puleese. What happened to the vampires? Or are we now into a Arcadia gambol? One only looks at the long line of players at the PaleyFezst to see that Alan Ball is unable to cull, unable to edit.
Sounds like someone is bitter about the Sookie-Eric storyline or doesn’t like them together.
This show has a lot of elements of a soap opera (though it’s deeper than that as well) in case you haven’t noticed.
I do agree that maybe AB needs to reign in some of the individual story lines or make the characters come together more often in one storyline to narrow it down some.
Bitter about an Eric-Sookie storyline? No no! I could not be less invested in Sookie’s love life. Believe me when I tell you that Sookie is the very least of characters that interests me, sadly
Yeah Sookie probably isn’t entertaining if you’re a Bill fan. She is annoying with him because she becomes a worthless dependent when under his influence.
not true at all. sookie is a very independant woman. as jason said, sookies gonna do what sookies gonnna do. she has never been controlled by bill. in fact bill will offer her his opinion and she ends up doing what she wants any way. saying she is dependant is really not watching very carefully, or at least not watching without already hating bill. really you need to step back and admit this is true.
If we’re getting a bollywood storyline next season I’ll feel cheated if we then don’t get synchronised dancing as well. ;)
Bollywood? Tjhat would be awesome. This would be great for Bill since Stephen is a wonderful singer/dancer….LOL! I know several of the other cast can sing/dance, but Alex is tone deaf yes? That might be a tiny problem.
Actually, I was thinking that would be anice “bonding” thing for Eric and Sookie to do since neither charactetr can sing…if they have a singing badly together moment ….whatcha think ?? cool idea? funny yes?
That would be awesome – if done right. I used to be a Buffy fan and the musical episode was absolutely one of the best.
Like Willow’s line “I think this line’s mostly filler” because Alyson Hannigan isn’t a good singer. HAHA!
Ya Bill f***ed up. but incase ya’ll hadn’t noticed. He is in love with Sookie. Like really in love. Like maybe even an unhealthy love. BUT he did not tell her he loved her until season 3 unless I am missing something. He tried to tell her numerous times that he is a vamp and he is dark and he has done horrible things. She knew that side of him existed. Sure she didn’t expect him to have treated her the way he did, but even in real life people do things to other people (horrible things) and then get to know them and regret it because they realize ‘hey, they are a really good person, I like them, why did I do that??’
The truth of the matter is Sookie feels betrayed, and who can blame her? Does Bill deserve to be forgiven? Hell ya he does. Does he need to redeem himself? Hell yes. If sookie needs to hop in the sack with the viking cuz he is all sweet like cuz he loses his memory, well then sister go for it! Might as well. He is a good enough lookin guy. I am not so sure about Alcide, he seems like more of a ‘friend’ to her, but hey whatever. I think Bill is her man in the end. You can’t have 3 seasons of them totally in frickin love and lust and then just drop it. My opinion of course…
well I have to say this is a refreshing attitude. Good to see that not everyone is in denial about what Bill has done and validates Sookies right to be mad. Most of us would be mad wouldn’t we? I think at this point she has a right to be interested in other men. This man that she has given her heart to has betrayed her in every way possible. So I think she has the right to seek love elsewhere, so I say go for it Sookie! Find your Heart’s desire!
You have to grieve first, then get mad etc then you calm down and go back into the world. You don’t go out kissing and whatever straight away. Whatever Bill did, Sookie still loved him and shared many things. You just don’t go out and shag the next best thing without working it out inside your head, first. I hear Sookie kisses two men within the first two episodes. Deary me. I guess that would not be a meaningful thing.
meaningful or not, it’s her right to do it. I will applaud her if she does. I want Sookie to be a strong women.
Skanking around does not make you a strong woman. She needs to deal with her grief, not bonk it away.
You know, maybe she just wasn’t that into him. Oh she loves him, absolutely – but let’s put this into perspective.
She’s only known him for 2 months and according to one of the writers of Season 3 – it was your typical first love, dysfunctional, reminds you of all the bad relationships you had in your twenties kinda relationship. How long does it take a girl to get over those? The guy is your entire world one minute, then you find out he’s a douche & you think your life is over. Couple of tissue boxes & pints of Haagan Dazs later (or in this case – a nice trip to Fairyland) & it’s… Bill who?
If you recall – she was smooching Eric; telling Bill this isn’t working out in the car; bitch-slapped him; kindly reminded him he does not own her; infuriated him by saving Eric anyway; oh & then told him to bite her so she could give Eric her blood; threw in a dig about the you-almost-killed-me draining incident for good measure; was pretty much telling Bill she wanted nothing to do with him & last but not least, was flirting with Alcide like Bill wasn’t even there – ALL before the Rattray reveal.
I would imagine she’ll feel the sting of the betrayal a lot longer than it will take her to get over Bill.
which means that Sookie betrayed Bill, with her so called love.
@ which means Sookie betrayed Bill with her so called love.
Really? You’re being serious? The guy had sex with ex-girlfriend/mother just days afer he proposed & called her to brag about it…. Then attacked & almost killed her when she risked her life to save his cheating arse. Yet, to our amazement, she stood by her man. Even after she found out he’d been keeping a secret file on her and that she had the most delectably delicious blood he’d EVER had – she stood by him.
Yet you fault HER because she finally had enough when she learned that he didn’t tell her that her fairy blood allowed him to be in the sun, just after he SWORE he was telling her EVERYTHING & was even begging her for a new start?
Yeah – I can’t imagine why Sookie lost that loving feeling. She’s such a bitch. LOLOL
I can respect that opinion even as someone who is on Eric’s side because I have been there and have been in Bill’s position in some ways.
However, I think Eric is simply the better choice for her. In my opinion, there were three seasons of build up to make the reveal that much more devastating, just my opinion though.
I agree. I think it makes it even worse that his lies lasted 3 seasons. But I guess in reality that was like what 2 months? lol
I did rejoin (civilly, I think) with TalkTrueBlood, but post is not evident. ;-)
To amyishotforbill:
“You can’t have 3 seasons of them totally in frickin love and lust and then just drop it.”
That has appened before. Remember Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
But if it follows BTVS…BILL WILL HAVE A SERIES ALL FOR HIMSELF!
A would love that. Bill is my favourite caracter not because of good looks but because of his similarities to my
favourite vampire character: Alucard, from the Hellsing mangaka.
Don’t know if you know him, but he is this baddass vampire type, very self-sacrificing that has an anti-hero personality. He loathes vampires-even though he is the TRUE VAMPIRE- and loves humans above all. But he will kill them swifly at the command of his master, Sir Integra. Remember the line when Bill said he was gonna kill everyone that could harm sookie? THAT’S VERY ALUCARD! Bill lovers may not like were the story goes but I see there will be some kind of relationship between sookie and bill. Some deep loving connection that cannot go further because of the perceived betrayal thing. Quite similar to the dynamics of Alucard and Integra, Servant and Master.
At least this is my wish. I don’t want to see Bill becoming Sookie’s dog like in the books-she literally has Sam for that lol.
And on a Personal note: Bill’s and Eric’s relationship with Sookie in the books and a little bit on the show until now has brought the best out of them but also brought them to what I believe are new lows. I see Eric as a Power Player and Bill a tragic character looking for redemption…just like ALUCARD! The show is about Vampires and their relationship with humans, supes, and specially with some weird although interesting and HOT waitress. Let the Vampires be vampires, I say! The illusion that you can change a person (by yourself without it’s input) is Porn for the wishful thinking- I’m sorry for the bland but truefull statement.
If Bill’s redemption happens in a spin-off it would be could nice. CH left so many loopholes in his character that AB may have scope to make Bill his. I pernsonally believe Bill’s character is too much related to Sookies-the dog’s analogy- and I would want to see this great character better used, even though it’s not being that bad until now.
PS: please stop the ranting, bashing, whatever you call it IN ALL SIDES: it only serves to hype the show and offer’s zero improvement to your lives.
Peace
I totally agree mario lol…I love the show…I love Bill’s character. He is very tormented…and that makes him awesome lol I never really watched BTVS…Bill with his own spin-off. HELL ya! thanks for the comment!!
I am exhausted reading this.
lief,
Yes, Bill has lied to Sookie and kept truths from her but as Stephen explained, everything Bill has done has been out of love. Bill is the tragic flawed hero, and he will sacrifice everything as well as himself for her.
Here are my opinions on your list:
-The edict, the files and the rats was started before he knew her.
-The effects of his blood he explained the 3rd night
-Jessicas turning was a very personal pain for obvious reasons which he later explained
-Knowledge of Hadley would make Sookie want go to the queen to find her and Bill was trying to keep her away
-Uncle Bartlet was vampire justice for being a child molester and for molesting Sookie.
-Daywalking: if too many people/vamps knew (Queen, eric, RE) about it, it would be dangerous for Sookie. Eric found out aND USED HER! The less who knew, for now, even Sookie, the better she could stay protected.
-Attacking Claudine was instinct, which once he understood, turned into a lengthy discussion with her, which then Bill told Sookie about.
Now, how about Erics lies and actions?
-not warning Sookie about possible danger while interrogating people at his bar.
-willing to bargain with Bill and mforgo the tribunal in exchange for Sookie
- taking Bill to the tribunal when it could have been avoided
-Jessica
-Not telling Sookie or Bill he was Godrics progeny
-Not telling Sookie or Bill about dangers in Dallas
-CALLING IN LORENA!!!
-Lying to Sookie about why Bill did not accompany him to the FOTS church
-Lying to Sookie in Godrics nest about putting Sookie in danger and letting her walk into a trap
-lying about “dying” to make Sookie drink his blood
-lying about willing to die with Godric, even Godric knew he wouldn’t.
-Offering to “bargain” with Sam for his help concerning the maenad, “can you give me Sookie Stackhhouse?”
-loving to eat teacups
-Lying to Sookie point blank about where Bill was, when he knew he had sent an assassin for him.
-Hadley with the queen
-TORTURING HADLEY
-lying about the weres
-lying about his connection to RE
-lying about Bill dealing V
-daywalking
-lying about his knowledge of fairies
-Not telling Sookie about USING her for his vendetta/plan, instead he threw her into a dungeon and chained her up like a dog.
-lying when he said he would never have given her to RE…. uh, excuse me, he did!
-lying about seeing Godrics ghost
-lying about what Godric told him about forgiveness
Well, that was off the top of my head, I am sure I missed more.
My bad, how could I forget Eric chaining up and torturing Lafayette? Then making him sell V AGAIN, something he had been tortured for?? And you wonder why Lafayette has been so mentally and emotionally tormented.
Ginger: “OMG, I almost told her about her friend Lafayette in the basement, Eric told me not to tell her .”
Makes you think huh!
Your viking even makes others lie for him.
Eric never lies to her face when confronted with the facts though like Bill does.
He gave her his blood after saving her life, Bill gave her blood after conspiring to have her beat up to the point of death.
The fact that Lafayette was arrested was his fault: he was selling V.
Eric was doing his job just like Bill was doing his.
The queen made him sell V just like the queen made Bill do what he did to get Sookie.
However, I can say Bill’s lies are much more numerous and have a lot more bad weight than Eric’s.
He had Eric and Pam killed to cover up his lies and no other reason.
Having someone killed to cover up your lies is just about the most callous thing someone can do.
He had no intentions of ever coming clean.
wait katya, i need to understand you correctly, you are saying that eric gave sookie his blood after he saved her life? I agree he saved her life, but you didnt see him lie to her? trick her into drinking his blood and smile about it? he was laughing at her.
I think you watched that episode with Eric tricking Sookie into drinking his blood wrong! I have also the blu ray of S2 and in the commentary, spoken by Alex, he said that he was in the same vicinity as Sookie and just happen to fall on her conveniently, so it was not even planned!
Eric is a trickster. That’s all.
Eric happened to fall on her?? I doubt that. Those would have had to been some very slow bullets for them to hit him after he accidently fell down…lol. No he took the silver bullets for her rather than stand back and watch her get hurt. And yeah, he did ask her to remove the bullets, but she did that of her own free will. So much better than standing by and letting her get hurt and then forcing his blood upon her.
Eric had the right as Sheriff of Area 5 to arrest those who broke vampire law. It was only after this incident that Eric was ordered to sell blood and went back to Lafayette to start selling again. I suspect it was really Bill who captured Lafayette for Eric…thus the deal he had with Eric(keeping Jessica.) I think that is why Lafayette would not let Bill help him in the house when he was let go. Just an theory of course.
I fully expect Lafayette to be on Eric’s team this season. All the way in fact.
Really! Bill abducted Laf for Eric! That is wild! I bet you think Bill fed of Lettie May after he got scorched! You are one sick baby – sorry! I think you will find it was Chow that got Laf!
No actually I think Lettie Mae was one of his slave descendants. He probably fed off of Lafayette actually. And actually I am very well…eyes wide open here.
Whoa, Nia you are my main woman, what a memory. All of it is 100% TRUE!
Good on ya, babe!
Ooh How could I forget that Beehl raped Lorena? All while Sookie wore his ring.
Gee – that is some act of love and protection. So noble and selfless. pmsl.
I loved SM’s take on it at Paley. It’s exactly what many of us thought.
As for Uncle Bartlette ‘s death – Vampire justice?
Oh you mean like Royce’s death and Lafayette’s imprisonment?
btw; Uncle Bartlette was an act of ‘Revenge’. Gasp!
A vampire wanting revenge for past deeds done to love ones? For shame!
I dont know about you, but if I was Sookie I’d be more pissed about the lies and actions of the person claimining to love me and wanting to marry me. Or maybe Bill was ordered to propose? lol
Because you know all of Bill’s actions that were less than “Flawless” were of no fault of his own right? I mean he is low vamp on the totem pole so all of it was either ordered for Beehl to do, or no fault of his own. Why the guy is practically human. A human-pire! Oh Sookie please take Beehl back so you can cure him of his vampirism! He can teach school to third graders! Well, that is if there was night school for 8 yr olds.
Bill and Sookie`s relationship is and was toxic from the get-go. They own it. The two of them – no one else.
Sookie was right when she told Beehl he had no right to use that word(LOVE)
Bill never allowed Sookie the opportunity- to love him unconditionally. He showed her what he wanted her to see. The rest he concealed, very conveniently.
A wolf in sheep`s clothing.
Sookie was already smitten with Beehl that second night.
“May I call on you sometime?”
Sookie was very willing.
Yet Bill chose a violent form of seduction. Death or my blood.
So much for flowers, candy and antebellum charm.
Because Beehl ‘later’ developed feelings for Sookie that does not make it okay that he let two psycho’s beat her. She has just saved his life.
She thought they had met by happy chance, by a twist of fate, not from calculated design and premeditation.
It has to be killing her inside, knowing that what was so exciting and intense for her was just a job for him.
I agree a lot with what you have to say. I do love Bill though, and think that deep down he wants to be a good man. he just isn’t doing a very good job. I hope that no Bill fan would condone what he did. It was horrible. What I think people fail to realize is that Eric, put in the same situation, would have done the exact same thing. Bill is just unlucky. Obviously. Sookie really should dump both of them and move on but you know that won’t happen. lol. I do think Sookie and Bill belong together…maybe in the end. But it will be a LONG time coming I am sure. I am hoping for a shot of good angry sex this season lmao…I just wish that everyone would be NICE with their opinions. I am pretty sure we are all grown ups….one of my good friends is an Eric lover and we have no problems debating….simmer down everyone!!!
Again I fill your post refreshing. It is nice to have a Bill fan not condoning what Bill has done. And as far as Eric, maybe, but we will never know how Eric would have done it. I don’t hate Bill myself but I really think there is no excuse for how he has treated Sookie and the other women on the show. I am a woman and I think women need to be strong and I guess I am amazed that other woman will have reasons and excuses for what Bill has done. Everyone has a right to like who they like, but It would be nice someday to have a civil discussion about the two characters without everyone going into a frenzy.
Then dog collar is the best accessory for the “strong women”. Sookie obviously enjoyed it so much sitting in the basement being chained. Plus she obviously much appreciated way of communication when she literally silenced by hand. That the way of a strong woman!
Ah yes the hand over the mouth.
Let’s discuss shall we?
Eric covers Sookie’s mouth with his hand to shut her up at Russell’s mansion in case Sookie says too much and Russell or his guards overhear.
Bill covers Sookie’s mouth with his hand to shut her up in the back of the truck so no one can hear her screams as he attacks her brutally and steals her light.
Ironic isnt it? ;)
BillsNia! You are the GIRL!!!!!! WELL DONE! Trouble is, the EL’s won’t believe you because they watch a different show, or better still, they read the books!!
Way to go! I totally agree!
You missed chaining up and torturing Lafayette and making him drink his blood so he could track him.
I realise that was -at least partially- vampire justice, but if that’s forgivable on that premise then so is Bill’s file and mission.
Exactly Mela!!
There can be some tit for tat here as well!!
The problem with this argument is that Eric is not Sookie’s lover……Bill is. Eric is not expected to live up to the same standards as a lover, boyfriend or husband. This is like expecting your next door neighbor to treat you the same way your husband does. Also, the “perceived” faults of Eric really have nothing to do with Bill, Bill did his stuff all on his own and lied about it.
They are both vampires and thus by their nature naughty, naughty boys with a moral code that is well…maybe non existent. However, if certains folks were advocating for Eric and Sookie to be happy neighbors then yes. You have a point. But they are not. So, all the things he has done are valid if you’re interested in seeing them in a romantic situation.
But what you fail to see and understand is that Eric has from the beginning “desired” to be her lover and
boyfriend but could not influence her into it, no matter what he tried.
She fell in love with Bill at first sight.
So, all Erics lies and machinations to this point, and because we know that they will have a relationship, will be built on many many LIES, committed while he knew her and wanted her.
So a relationship with Eric will now be based on worse lies and his betrayals because he committed them knowingly and willingly. How stable a relationship will that be? Well, just look at what happened to Bill.
How do you believe Sookie will feel once these revelations about what eric has done come to light?
I in no way excuse Bill for keeping things from her, he should have told her the truth sooner but since his being made to aquire her, and his finding her was all ordered and done before he knew her or fell in love with her, it became harder for him to tell her this truth as time went on, about coming to Bon Temps.
She is his miracle and I applaud him for admitting to love and being in love. That is what makes him special, he understands love instead of berating those in love and making fun of them.
Isabelle was the only other one to also admit to loving her human. That was more than likely the reason she went to BILL in an attempt to assist them in the FOTS.
Isabelle and Bill understood each other.
Well, yes,I quite understand that Eric did want Sookie from the time he saw her. But what is wrong with that? Men want and compete for woman all the time. That is kind of “normal” to me. Kinda the way the world works really. Typical man…right? Your “perceived” Eric sins are numerous but that still does not excuse what Bill does. He got into trouble all on his own. Bill and Sookie had the relationship. Eric hasn’t…yet.
@ Bill’sNia
The differences between all of Bill’s lies and some of Eric’s are that Sookie KNEW HE WAS LYING through his teeth. “One minute you lie to me and the next minute you ask me to trust you, you do something generous and selfless, and then you follow that up with something nasty and downright cruel”. Sookie’s words tell me she knows exactly who and what Eric is. With Bill, she did not know a damn thing. Not saying, Eric is a saint, never have and and never will but at least she knows what she is getting, can’t say the same for Bill. I read through your list of Eric’s wrongdoing’s and she knows all of that now.
-not warning Sookie about possible danger while interrogating people at his bar.
-willing to bargain with Bill and mforgo the tribunal in exchange for Sookie-she would not be surprised
- taking Bill to the tribunal when it could have been avoided-she knows about this as well one of the reasons she does not like Eric
-Jessica- same as above
-Not telling Sookie or Bill he was Godrics progeny-he could have right off I agree but she knows that also
-Not telling Sookie or Bill about dangers in Dallas- same as above
-CALLING IN LORENA!!!-while she may not know for sure, I am sure she would not be surprised as she knows how Eric is
-Lying to Sookie about why Bill did not accompany him to the FOTS church- again she would not be surprised
-Lying to Sookie in Godrics nest about putting Sookie in danger and letting her walk into a trap-she volunteered and she knew something was up already but in the end she would not be surprised
-lying about “dying” to make Sookie drink his blood- she knows this too
-lying about willing to die with Godric, even Godric knew he wouldn’t.-does not matter, she still got to see the emotions this inflicted in him and it endeared him to her
-Offering to “bargain” with Sam for his help concerning the maenad, “can you give me Sookie Stackhhouse?” -she knows he wants her, the girl is not stupid, again she would not be surprised
-loving to eat teacups- implied not for certain this is what he meant by delicious so not going there
-Lying to Sookie point blank about where Bill was, when he knew he had sent an assassin for him. hello, he did not know and the assassin was not supposed to kill Bill just bring him to Eric
-Hadley with the queen- she knows Hadely is with the Queen, she told her
-TORTURING HADLEY- I
-lying about the weres
-lying about his connection to RE
-lying about Bill dealing V
-daywalking
-lying about his knowledge of fairies
-Not telling Sookie about USING her for his vendetta/plan, instead he threw her into a dungeon and chained her up like a dog.
-lying when he said he would never have given her to RE…. uh, excuse me, he did!
-lying about seeing Godrics ghost
-lying about what Godric told him about forgiveness
@ Bill’sNia
The differences between all of Bill’s lies and some of Eric’s are that Sookie KNEW HE WAS LYING through his teeth.
“One minute you lie to me and the next minute you ask me to trust you, you do something generous and selfless, and then you follow that up with something nasty and downright cruel”.-Sookie
Sookie’s words tell me she knows exactly who and what Eric is. With Bill, she did not know a damn thing. Not saying, Eric is a saint, never have and and never will but at least she knows what she is getting, can’t say the same for Bill. I read through your list of Eric’s wrongdoing’s and she knows all of that now.
-not warning Sookie about possible danger while interrogating people at his bar. she knew, the girl is not stupid but yes he could have
-willing to bargain with Bill and mforgo the tribunal in exchange for Sookie-she would not be surprised
- taking Bill to the tribunal when it could have been avoided-she knows about this as well one of the reasons she does not like Eric
-Jessica- same as above
-Not telling Sookie or Bill he was Godrics progeny-he could have right off I agree but she knows that also
-Not telling Sookie or Bill about dangers in Dallas- same as above and Bill should have known also
-CALLING IN LORENA!!!-while she may not know for sure, I am sure she would not be surprised as she knows how Eric is
-Lying to Sookie about why Bill did not accompany him to the FOTS church- again she would not be surprised
-Lying to Sookie in Godrics nest about putting Sookie in danger and letting her walk into a trap-she volunteered and she knew something was up already but in the end she would not be surprised
-lying about “dying” to make Sookie drink his blood- she knows this too did not stop her from going to him for help
-lying about willing to die with Godric, even Godric knew he wouldn’t.-does not matter, she still got to see the emotions this inflicted in him and it endeared him to her
-Offering to “bargain” with Sam for his help concerning the maenad, “can you give me Sookie Stackhhouse?” -she knows he wants her, the girl is not stupid, again she would not be surprised
-loving to eat teacups- implied not for certain this is what he meant by delicious so not going there
-Lying to Sookie point blank about where Bill was, when he knew he had sent an assassin for him. hello, he did not know where Bill was and the assassin was not supposed to kill Bill just bring him to Eric
-Hadley with the queen- she knows Hadely was with the Queen, she told her when they talked and Bill knew Hadely was with the Queen and never told Sookie in season 2 and told Hadley it was best she did not go home
-TORTURING HADLEY- I am sure she will be pissed to hear that and rightly so
-lying about the weres- he fessed up and told her so a moot point now
-lying about his connection to RE- she knows about most of that, he told her when he fessed up about the wolves, he just did not tell why he was looking for the wolves master, hello that is personal. He did not even know RE was the person associated with the wolves until he saw his father’s crown at his mansion so not a lie an omission at best is what that was
-lying about Bill dealing V- he can explain that same as he did to RE and she would not be surpised
-daywalking- he did not know as much as you all think, he got most of his info from Bill and the Queen so this holds no water, even RE did not know, just Bill and the Queen
-lying about his knowledge of fairies- he did not know until season 3 and that is obvious
-Not telling Sookie about USING her for his vendetta/plan, instead he threw her into a dungeon and chained her up like a dog. she knows now and she was not surprised
-lying when he said he would never have given her to RE…. uh, excuse me, he did!- she knew what he meant by this and so do you, he did not hand her over to save himself and forget about her, he had a plan in motion to save them all
-lying about seeing Godrics ghost – does that even matter in the grand scheme of things? Not really
-lying about what Godric told him about forgiveness- again does not matter
wow lynn there is so much that sookie already knows about eric, lol. why would she want him knowing all that? and you are excusing eric alot of what he has done because of who and what he is, again, lol
The most tedious relationship in all of television.
Just a note here to everyone on opposing sides to stay civil with one another. This is just a TV show and I know a bunch of you get your panties in a wad when someone has a differing opinion, but there is NO REASON to make fun of each other or to disrespect one another. Some of the snark I see is uncalled for.
It’s a lot of fun until someone gets hurt – let’s not let that happen shall we?
Liv – thank you! I can’t deal with this “Team who should be with Sookie” business for much longer. Think I’m going to pull up a permanent chair at Team Bellefleur’s table.
You’re welcome anytime over at the Bellefleur table (and on the bus when it gets out of the shop). We’re an easy-going bunch and usually have great food here and an abundance of beverages for all ;)
Sweet! I do love my “beverages.” And I promise not to get my panties in a wad about Portia spending time with my dude, Bill. Snark intended ;).
You all sound like a bunch of 5 year olds on the playground.
If I wasn’t holding down so many jobs, I’d be really tempted to create a no bash website of my own and tell all the teamsters to get lost.
signed<
The Vampwich Gal
Nice thought but would it really work is the question. I see nothing wrong with being on a ‘team’ it makes for great publicity and keeps folks like us watching.
@ You don’t think that your reply to my post was snarky and down right mean spirited? You insulted my intelligence. I consider that a personal attack and one of the reasons that I rarely go to mixed boards. Debating is fun when it stays above the belt. Nothing in my post deserved being made fun of….I was merely sharing my opinion.
You are right as well Ariel, my first comment about the windy shithole was snarky and meant to be funny, not mean. My second comment about perceived and making it seem as if you did not know what it means was insulting your intelligence and for that I am sorry.
Eric fans don’t EXPECT Alan Ball to give us a sickly sweet love story between Eric and Sookie on TB.
Their dynamic is far more complex and interesting than that and we fully expect to see that on the show. Finally. :D
@ wow lynn there is so much that sookie already knows about eric, lol. why would she want him knowing all that? and you are excusing eric alot of what he has done because of who and what he is, again, lol
Tayla, No I am not making excuses for Eric at all and I don’t know what you mean by again…lol. The point of my post was to say that all the stuff the OP pointed out is of no surprise to Sookie. In other words, he has not hidden who and what he is from her, it is what it is, unlike Bill who put on a facade, at least with Eric, she knows what he is all about and where she stands. She did not know or even think that Bill was a liar and a manipulator. She was mad at him for throwing her in the basement of Fangtasia and rightly so, she is mad at him a lot and she hates him. It does not change the fact that a lot of the things in BillNia’s list of Eric’s lies and what not are things she already knew as she was either there for them or she became aware of them. As such, anything he does will not surprise her, she expects the worse from him, BUT NOT BILL. When she finds out about about them, she will tear into him, she is not scared to so do. But Eric did not lie about everything on that list and some of them are a moot point.
-Lying to Sookie point blank about where Bill was, when he knew he had sent an assassin for him. hello, he did not know where Bill was and the assassin was not supposed to kill Bill just bring him to Eric
Sorry, Lynn, but when Sookie confronted Eric in the dungeon (may I say YUC?) Eric did not know that Bill had been taken by the Weres. To all intent and purposes, Rueben had Bill, as per Eric’s instructions. It was only when he called Rueben for a sitrep, that he found out someone else had beaten Rueben to Bill. Also, I don’t think Eric was inviting Bill over for a bottle of Tru Blood. I think it was more sinister than that, as he told QSA that he would take care of Bill.
-lying when he said he would never have given her to RE…. uh, excuse me, he did!- she knew what he meant by this and so do you, he did not hand her over to save himself and forget about her, he had a plan in motion to save them all
Sorry Lynn. By this stage Eric did not care about anyone. If he went out to the sun to save them all, don’t you think he would have made arrangements to have Sookie fed? He did not. It was Bill who begged Pam to let him go so that he could feed her! Sookie would have died because of the blo0\od he and KRE had. I say it again. ERIC MADE NO PROVISION FOR SOOKIE TO BE REVIVED! How was this saving her??? If he made arrangements with Pam, she did nto carry it out. I mean, why release Bill if it was to be be Pam to give Sookie blood? Eric – selfish to the core, imo. Only thinks of his own needs, just like in the books.
Also, Lynn, you really think you know Sookie and are a reliable source for her POV??? I think not.
The Queen told Eric to handle Bill Compton. She never said how. Eric sent Rueben to bring him back in. There is no proof anywhere that Eric planned to kill Bill. I hightly doubt Eric would have killed Bill because Bill’s duty was to procure Sookie for the Queen and if he did that without her permission, he would have been in trouble. And the Queen wouldn’t have wanted him killed for the same reason…he was her way to Sookie. There is no proof that Eric planned to kill Bill. If you have proof, bring it forth or else it is just your “perception.” And by the way, isn’t orders from the Queen enough to excuse anyone doing anything?
Eric was made to go first. No one was expecting that. Not even Bill after Eric let him in on the plan.
What Eric planned to do with Bill a la Rueben is spec, not fact.
Sookie saved Eric by dragging him inside. She then gave her blood willingly to heal him. She then followed his wishes and went out to get RE.
Why did Sookie do these things? Out of the goodness of her heart? I dont think so.
She cares about Eric.
She did it because she knew, like I know, that Eric did what he did to save them all. Including Bill.
You dont have to agree, I really dont care. But this is the direction AB is taking Eric.
Those that are in Eric’s inner circle that he cares for, including Sookie, he will protect at all costs.
He wont romanticize it, he won’t apologize for it. He did what he had to do, he’s pragmatic.
It worked.
Yep, this is exactly what Sookie thought when she was dying from blood loss while Eric was trying to burn in the sun with KRE – “Eric will save me, even if it kills me!”
Magellan, your top notch sarcasm is the only good thing about this increasingly stupid and creepy-obsessive discussion. Brava :)
well I guess she did think that, since her first thought was to go out and save him. Thanks for pointing that out!
Actually if you recall…when Sookie was ‘out’ she woke up when the ‘darkness’ came over her, and there was Bill.
And what did she do?
She slapped his face and then ran out to save Eric.
That’s right! Sookie saw Eric on the rooftop! Yes!!! That explains all!!!! Yes!!! Lazy writing!!!
Thanks for your wonderful and engaging insight.
When in doubt blame the writers.
Oh Lizzie I do not think I am an authority on Sookie or Eric, same as you are not an authority on Bill Compton. Some things are just obvious, I don’t read anything more or less out of something, it is what it is. Of course, he left a way for her to be healed, do you think Bill would have agreed to Eric’s plan outside Fangtasia if not!? The answer would be NO! It appeared that a lot of time went by when Eric went outside and Pam told Russell “what are you waiting for”? when actually not that much time went by all at. Bill was being impatient to heal her and rightly so, they were waiting for RE to go outside, then Pam released Bill, it just was not shown to us. Also, Eric did not think that RE would tell him to go first, you saw the look between Bill and Eric, like oppps shit, did not think about that, obviously that was not the original plan. Eric or Pam would have released him once RE went outside and one of them starting to heal Sookie. Plans always get a hiccup in them and Pam was distraught over Eric and got sidetracked and had to be yelled at to release him.
As far as Rueban goes, when she asked him where Bill was, he stated the truth when he said he did not. Rueban as you recall, was told to bring Bill to Eric at Fangtasia, so he would have been there wouldn’t he when she came, he would not had time to hide him, right? So my answers to those particular items on the list remain the same. Eric had a plan to save them all, including Bill and it backfired and it played out differently. Eric would not have handed her over to RE and just went on about his merry little way, like you all would like to believe.
Yes Lynn I agree, it was pretty obvious what was going on here . This was Eric’s plan that Bill did agree to and went along with. It was pretty obvious that it did not go as they planned and I thought the way Alex and Stephen played that made it very clear what was happening, so Eric ended up having to drink from Sookie to get Russell into the sun. My opinions are that there was a plan to revive Sookie but that AB didn’t show us that so assuming Bill revived her is just someone”s “perception” of how it happened. For all we know now, it could have been Bill or Pam or even the fairies. Remember Sookie was with or dreaming of the fairies when she woke up. Maybe AB will show us what actually happened there or not..lol
I love it when AB leaves little holes in the storyline and then comes back and lays in all the little clues to make us think for awhile and then comes back maybe a season or so later and shows it the way it really happened. All kind of clues everywhere for those who wish to see them.
Exactly eloradannen! I think it was a combination of Bill’s blood and the fae light that healed her. Of course that is JMO!
Sorry! You have wishful thinking! lol!
Wow….. to these posts. I think it’s safe to say that people should agree to disagree.
I love Bill and I will never change my mind about him. I read the books first and I loved the character of Bill.